Number of Salat

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Three Salat (Prayers) Authorised in the Quran

The prayers mentioned by name in the Quran are:

1- Salat Al-Fajr (Dawn Prayer) 24.58

2- Salat Al-Isha (Night Prayer) 24.58

3- Al-Salat Al-Wusta (The Middle Prayer) 2.238

However, 99% of all Muslims in the world claim that God decreed 5 daily prayers.
Their 5 salat are: Fajr – Zhohr – Asr – Maghrib – Isha.
They changed the name of the Salat Al-Wusta (The Middle Prayer) to Salat Al-Zhohr, and they added 2 salat which are the Asr and Maghrib.

The question is: If the prescribed prayers are indeed five per day, why does the Quran have only three named salat? To research this issue we present the following points:

First: Why are there only three named salat in the Quran?

If it is true that God authorized 5 obligatory salat per day, then we must inquire as to why there are only 3 names of salat given in the Quran?

The following explanations and their merits are put forward:
 
1- The names of the other salat are not in the Quran because the Quran does not contain all the details. This is a false claim because God tells us in 6.114 that the book is fully detailed and in 6.38 that nothing has been left out of the book:
 
(6.114) Shall I seek other than God as a source of law when He has brought down to you this book fully detailed?
 
(6.38) We did not leave anything out of the book
 
2- God forgot to mention the other two names of salat! This option is also false, God does not forget:
 
(20.52) He said: “The knowledge thereof is with my Lord in a record. My Lord never errs, nor does He forget.”
 
3- God did not mention the names of the other 2 salat because they are not important. If the salat were not important they would not be compulsory, and as a result, to claim that there are five compulsory prayers becomes a false claim.
 
4- God did not mention the names of the other 2 prayers because God wants us to guess them! Once again this is false, the Quran is unambiguous and is not a book of puzzles:
 
(12.1) A.L.R. These are the signs of the clear book
 
(44.58) We have made it (the Quran) easy to understand and in your own tongue (language) may you take heed.
 
5- God does not mention the names of the other 2 salat because God they can be found in the hadith. This is a false claim since we are commanded not to uphold any source of law other than the Quran (6.1147.3 and 5.48). We are also commanded specifically not to believe any hadith other than the Quran:
 
(45.6) These are God’s revelations which we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than God and His revelations do they believe?
 
The fact that God deliberately used the words “in which hadith” are very significant.
 
6- God does not mention the names of all the salat since they came to us through inherited rituals, and because God wants us to follow what we inherited from our parents even if it is not found in the Quran! Once again a claim that violates the Quran. In the Quran we are commanded not to follow what we inherited from our parents if it is not clearly found in the Quran:
 
(2.170) And when they are told: “Follow what God has revealed (Quran),” they say: “We follow only what we found our parents doing.” What if their parents did not understand, and were not guided?
 
7- God does not mention the names of the other 2 prayers, because there are no other 2 prayers according to the law of the Quran.
 

The genuine believers who believe that the Quran contains all the details, with no ifs or buts, will not accept any option other than option 7
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Second: Does the Quran give the exact times for each salat?

God tells us that the time of each prayer is precisely given in the Quran “kitaban mawqootan4.103. The word “kitaban” which means ‘book‘ refers to the Quran, or to ‘that which is written‘, and the word “mawqootan” means specifically timed. The deliberate use of these two words by God confirms that the precise appointed time for each of the prayers is given in the Quran. Once again this conforms to the fact that the Quran contains all the details.

The exact times of the three salat are given in the Quran and they are as follows:

The Fajr (Dawn) Prayer (mentioned by name in 24.58)

This prayer starts when fajr (dawn) starts. The start of fajr is given in 2.187. It starts when the first thin ray of light is observed in the sky. The words in 2.187 are: “until the white thread becomes distinguishable to you from the dark thread at dawn.” The prayer ends at sunrise as will be explained in more details below.

The Isha (Night) Prayer (mentioned by name in 24.58)

The night prayer corresponds to the other end of the day. It is the mirror image of the fajr salat. This prayer starts at sunset and ends when all light has disappeared from the night sky.

The Wusta (Middle) Prayer (mentioned by name in 2.238)

The middle or ‘Wusta’ prayer starts when the sun starts to decline from its highest point in the sky (dulook al-shams), which is at noon, and ends at sunset as detailed below.

Third: The detailed times for each salat

The exact times of the Dawn (fajr) prayer and Evening (Isha) prayers are given in the following verse:

(11.114) You shall observe the Salat at the two ends of the day; and during the near parts of the night.

Traditionally, this verse has been interpreted to be speaking of three prayers: two Salat at the ends of the day plus an additional salat during the night, a total of 3 salat.

However, this is a clear mis-understanding. This verse in fact speaks of only two prayers. This will be apparent once we establish the true meaning of key words in 11.114.

1- The “ends of the day” are sunrise and sunset. A command to observe the salat at the two ends of the day is insufficient in giving us the time range for the salat in question. This is because sunrise and sunset (the two ends of the day) are events that take less than 2 minutes to be completed. Surely God does not expect all believers to observe the salat during this very brief time! It is only with the addition of the words “wa zulufan min al-layl” in the same verse that we are given a time range as to when these two salat are to be observed.

2- Some interpreters, have claimed that we can observe the Salat around the two points and not only during the actual sunrise/sunset, but this is equally unacceptable. This interpretation gives rise to a new valid question: When exactly would the ‘around the two points’ be? Would it be before sunrise (and sunset) or after sunrise (sunset)? It is obvious that we would be left without any clues as to when exactly to observe these two Salat. However, the phrase ‘zulufann min al-layl‘ gives us the exact timing of these two salat.

3- There has been a number of interpretations for the words ‘zulufann min al-layl‘. The most commonly used are (parts of the night) or (during the night) or (some parts of the night). However, none of these interpretations are accurate nor in line with the Quranic use of the word “zulufann” as will be shown.

The root of the word “zulufann” is “Zulfa“. The word “Zulfa” is used in the Quran to mean near or close as in:

(39.3) “….. those who set up allies beside him, “We only idolize them so that they may bring us ‘zulfa’ (close) to God!”

As a result, the phrase “zulufann min al-layl” means the near parts of the night. The obvious question is: near to what? Nothing can be described as ‘near’ in absolute terms. The word ‘near’ can only have a meaning when we have a reference point to which this thing is near to. For example, we cannot say “my house is near” nor “the chair is near”! These phrase on their own do not have any meaning, but we can say “my house is near the school” and “the chair is near the table”. So now we have to read 11.114 again and see what does God mean by ‘near parts of the night‘, or in other words, near to what? The only other reference points given in 11.114 are the “ends of the day“, which are sunrise and sunset. As a result, the words “zulufann min al-layl” can only mean the parts of the night which are near to sunrise and sunset.

With the knowledge that anytime between sunset and sunrise is defined as night in the Quran (details at: Definition of Night in the Quran) it becomes clear that the part of the night which is near sunrise is the time of Fajr (dawn), this is the hour or so before sunrise when there is some light in the sky. Similarly the part of the night which is near to sunset is Isha (night), this is the hour or so after sunset when there is light in the sky.

As a result, 11.114 speaks of two salat only, and God is giving us in 11.114 the range of two salat. The range for the two salat are the parts of the night which are just before sunrise and immediately after sunset.

Perhaps the word “wa”, which means ‘and’, which is placed before the phrase ‘zulufann min al-layl’ is the word that was the main subject of misinterpretation. Many have understood the word ‘wa’ to mean (and an additional Salat), however, the word ‘wa’ simply links the two ends of the day, with the adjacent parts of the night, to give the time range of the two salat.

The two Salat at the ends of the day that are spoken of in 11.114 are given specific names in the Quran. They are Salat Al-Fajr (Dawn Prayer) and Salat Al-Isha (Night Prayer).

Not surprisingly, the times of “fajr” and “esha” are defined in Arabic dictionaries as the times before sunrise and after sunset respectively.

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Now we come to the third Salat mentioned in the Quran, which is Al-Salat Al-Wusta (2.238). The timing of this salat is given in the following verse:

(17.78) You shall observe the Salat from the ‘duluk’ of the sun (when the sun declines from its highest point) up until the ‘ghasaq al-layl’ (the darkness of the night)

The word “Wusta” (2.238) is a derivative of the word ‘Wasat’ which means middle. Therefore the words “Al-Salat Al-Wusta” mean ‘The Middle Prayer’. The word middle (wusta) in 2.238 cannot have a meaning in an absolute sense. To be described as ‘middle’ must be in reference to two other points. The only other reference points given in the Quran in connection to salat are sunrise and sunset (the ends of the day in 11.114). Thus the middle salat starts when the sun has travelled exactly half way between sunrise and sunset. This is at midday.

The exact time for the Middle prayer (Salat Al-Wusta), which is given in 17.78, is from the moment the sun begins its descent from its highest point at midday (duluk al shams) until the darkness of the night starts (ghasaq al-layl).

The darkness itself starts about an hour or so before sunset, but the time before sunset is still part of the day, but since God said: “the darkness of the night” it must be the beginning of the darkness but also part of the night. This would be as soon as the sun sets, for then the darkness is setting in and it is also part of the night. Had God only said “until the darkness” this would have meant a time before sunset when the sun is still up but darkness is starting to creep in.

It must also be mentioned that some scholars have interpreted the words “until the darkness of the night” to mean when it is totally dark! But this is not correct, to demonstrate the correct meaning, consider the following example which outlines some basic logic:

If a man is told: Walk till you get to the sea then start swimming.

Does this mean that the man should swim when he gets to the beginning of the sea, when he gets to the middle of the sea or when he gets to the end of the sea? Naturally it means when he gets to the very beginning of the sea.

In the same way, if God says: “until the darkness of the night” it means until the very beginning of the darkness and as mentioned, when it is also night time.

So to sum up, the time to observe the Wusta Salat is any time between noon and sunset.

As we have seen, not only do we only have three names of prayers in the Quran, we also have three defined times for prayer in the Quran. Those who follow five prayers a day cannot find names of more than three salat in the book, nor can they find defined times for their five prayers in the Quran. All their information comes from sources outside the Quran. They do that because they claim that the Quran does not have all the details. And by doing so, they demonstrate their disbelief in God’s assurances that the Quran is fully detailed (6.114) and that nothing has been left out of the book (6.38)!

Fourth: The usual manipulations

Since there are only three named salat in the Quran, the advocates of the five salat have tried to manipulate a number of Quranic words to enforce their non Quranic five salat tradition. The following are some of their manipulations:

– Some have claimed that the word ‘zahira’ in 24.58 refers to the salat which they call by the same name. The advocates of the 5 prayers have tried to manipulate this word in 24.58 so as to authorise a salat called ‘zohr’. But If we look at verse 24.58, we note that the word ‘salat’ is related only to 2 Salats (Fajr and Esha), and we also note that God only speaks of the ‘time of day‘ (not salat name) which God calls Zahira (zohr). If there is a Salat called Salat Al-Zohr, wouldn’t we expect to see the words ‘salat Al-Zahira/Zohr’ in 24.58, just like God mentions Salat Al-Fajr and Salat Al-Esha in the same verse by their name? The time of ‘zahira’ spoken of in 24.58 is a time which God reserves for privacy as the words in 24.58 explain, and is not a name for a salat.

– Some have also tried to manipulate various Quranic verses which speak of the time of ‘Asr’ (afternoon) such as 103.1, but once again when we read 103.1 we do not see any mention of the word salat. Asr is merely a time of the day which God refers to. The Quran also speaks of other times of the day such as ‘duha’ (morning) in 93.1, but once again this is not a reference to a salat by that name. The concept of salat is not mentioned directly or indirectly in any of these verses.

– Yet another case of manipulation is by those who have tried to change the meaning of the Quranic word ‘tasbeeh’ (glorification) to indicate salat. The Quran invites us to glorify God at various times of the day (3.41, 20.130, 50.39). The act of ‘tasbeeh’ is different from the act of salat. Tasbeeh (glorifying God) can be done at any time and has no pre-requisites, but salat has specific times of the day and can only be done according to specific rules such as ablution, facing qibla .. etc.

Fifth: The sun given as the timer

Many centuries ago in the old days, people did not have printed lists of times of prayers and astronomical charts, etc. They could not do like we do now, turn on the radio or TV or obtain a Prayer Timetable. However, God must have given a means to determine the times of prayers even for those early communities who did not have the facilities we have today. God must have given them a natural means of determining the times of the prayers.

All the three salat are timed in reference to the movement of the sun in our sky. This is a natural method which can be applied by all people and long before the human devised the sophisticated astronomical charts.

As long as there is any light in the sky (before sunrise and after sunset) we know it is the time for Fajr and Isha respectively.

With the Salat Al-Wusta it is also very easy. When we see no shadow below us when we stand, we know that this is when the sun is highest in the sky. When we start to see the smallest shadow, this is the beginning of the salat al-wusta, it ends when the sun sets. It cannot be easier!

Sixth: The issue of the ‘raka’

Finally we come to the issue of how many raka to be observed in each Salat.

The cycle of standing, bowing and prostrating is traditionally called a ‘raka’. According to Quranic law, God did not specify any specific number of raka to be observed in the Salat. More important, the word raka does not appear anywhere in the Quran, so we must discard it and only think in terms of standing, bowing and prostrating while commemorating God alone.

The advocates of the 5 prayers claim that the number of raka to be observed during each of the 5 prayers is 24434 respectively. In other words, 2 raka’s at fajr, then 4 raka during their ‘zohr’ prayer, and so on.

For a start, and since there are only three Salat decreed by God for the believers, then this 24434 format is false.

A different group who also advocate the 5 prayer format have come up with some calculations based on the number 19 to claim that the 24434 format has been preserved since Abraham.

These calculations have been proven to be coincidental and thus cannot be considered in any way as divine signs. For more details on this matter, please check the following page: The code 19 and the 2-4-4-3-4 format

Some other scholars have claimed that the minimum number of Raka during any prayer must be two. They base their claim on the Quranic concession to shorten the Salat at times of war (4.101). They state that if we are given indication to shorten the Salat, then it must be at least two Raka, that is because it is not feasible to shorten the salat if it were made of just one Raka!

The error in this interpretation is double edged:

1- It is based on a non Quranic concept which is the raka.

2- It is also in error because the Quranic concession to shorten the salat is time related, it is not related to the raka frequency. As mentioned, the concept of ‘raka’ is not a Quranic concept. The Quran speaks of standing, bowing and prostration without any time or frequency restrictions, which allows us to spend the time we wish in any of these positions. In other words, one can spend one minute in the standing position or ten minutes. One could read the Al-Fatiha (The Key) once or ten times. Equally one may praise God during prostration three times or 20 times. One could prostrate once or five times, and so on.

If we add the fact that different people exercise different speeds in uttering their prayers, then we are once again compelled to accept that shortening the salat is related to the overall time we give to the Salat and not to the number of raka’s.

The concession to shorten the Salat given in 4.101 is thus a time related one. God is telling us if you normally spend (as an example) 10 minutes in your Salat, you may spend 2 or 3 minutes when you are at war.

Apart from the fixed one month decreed for fasting, we find that none of the other Islamic practices and rituals have been given a fixed frequency in the Quran, and for a great wisdom too. For more details please see: The Missing Frequencies

Original URL: http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/islam/pillars/number_of_salat_%28P1200%29.html

15 thoughts on “Number of Salat”

  1. I can see you do not believe in the hadeiths ((mentioned in bu5ary, Muslim….etc)) can you make an article proving your point of view. As you can see there is a prove that we can depend on hadeiths ((strong ones)) by what we may call. “Tadawl” as not soooo many people may conspire to corrupt all this hadeiths. Secondly why did the prophet marry al saeada “3aaesha” so young!? ((only if that because she may memories another of his suna)) and finally god says in the quran to follow the prophet and to apply his suna… What do you say about that!!!!!??

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    1. I’ve written many articles in french about this subject.

      The hadiths are not the teachings of the prophet Muhammad, they are just the tool used by his enemies to corrupt religion. The verses which speak about obeying the prophet have a clear context in the past, at the time of the prophet.
      The Quran has been revealed over more than 20 years and many companions were denying Muhammad’s authority, that’s why these verses have been revealed.

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      1. Bro, I understand your points… Stronger than many others. But I am having a hard time to understand one thing… Why 99% believe in 5? Why Dr. Zakir Nayek, Ustad Nouman Ali Khan, Mufti Ismail Menk and many others who apparently have better understanding too than many others… Why they did not say anything like that (as you proved 3 times). Why they talk about 5 times of prayer? And in Mecca? They call for prayers 5 times and prays 5 times too… How come there are 99% of them not raising their voices against 5 times and keeping on praying 5 times with due respect… Again, I can understand your logical strong points… But why no one else is doing the same as you? Any single one of those 3 persons(mentioned above: Dr/Ustad/Mufti) has the ability to conduct research and publish the truth… But why they are all forgetting one particular/specific subject like Salah???? HOW Bro…????

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      2. It is as if you ask me why 99% of the christians believe that Jesus is the son of God… the answer will be the same, because these people are not following the original religion of their prophet, because they are sectarians, each generation following the previous one without questionning it…Allah speaks a lot about these kind of people in the Quran, and Allah says that these people do not use their own brain and reasonning, most of them are only sectarian and associators/mushrikeen. They just stay in the beliefs of their own fathers, whatever are these beliefs. If they was born buddhist, they would remain buddhist … and even if they change their religion, they pass from a sect to another sect, simply because they are sectarians, they think like sectarians, they want other people to think at their place, they do use their brain and they don’t count on Allah’s direct guidance.

        If all these ulemas all share the same beliefs it is because they have followed the same schools and that they belong to the same sects. If one of these ulemas would question the least point, he would be discredited and declared as heretics. These so called ulemas do not question what they are taught, they continue on the same path than the previous generations … just like the ulemas of christianity and judaism. They are indeed expert because they know many things, but this does not imply that they are well guided or that they use their brain.

        The main problem of these ulemas is that they base their beliefs on the hadiths, sirah and tafsirs, they do not interpret the Quran through their own logic and reasonning but only through the eye of these texts. They do not use their own discernment that they get from the Quran but they only imitate what was supposed to be Muhammad’s behaviour…. yet the verses of the Quran are straight and crystal clear!!!

        You can take the most proeminent ulemas of christianity, would any of them deny that Jesus was not the son of God? would any of them accept Muhammad as the last prophet and the Quran the last revelation?
        No! and this is the same for the ulemas of islam, they are all stuck in their own conditioning and programmation, all these ulemas have followed decades of indoctrinment in schools which forge their reasoning and make them be trapped in a false logic and a false truth.

        I ask you the question:

        Allah has sent more than 600 pages of Quran, 600 pages of Allah’s Words, Allah says in this Quran that this book is complete, fully detailed, contains all kind of examples, and allow us to have a perfect discernment, nothing is missing in it…this is repeated again and again through the whole Quran. How can you explain that Allah only mention 3 Salats in the Quran whereas Salat is one of the most important pillar of islam, does Allah has forgotten 2 salats, has Allah forgotten to detail one of the most important pillar of his religion?

        The answer is obviously no, like I’ve showed it in my articles, Allah has given us all what we need to know about the Salat, all the key points on salat are detailed such as the timing, the gestures, the words… Allah gives us flexibility (while the lost people are rigid) because Allah knows that the Quran is made for all humanity and that we are all so different, each one shall adapt it to his own style and make it personal (of course if he respects the points that Allah mentions as mandatory concerning Salat). Look at the muslim, most of them do salat like gym, they do it so quickly … this is because they do it like robots, their salat is not personal, it is not adapted to their needs, it’s only gestures and repeated words for them… which I understand is annoying.

        The way the muslims do salat is not forbidden but it is not mandatory, it is just one way among many others, each one can have his way and can adapt it to each salat according to his faith and his agenda of the day. You can do 5 salats, but only 3 are mandatory, you can even do 10 salats….

        I am not inventing anything, I am merely following what the Quran says. The true religion is to obey the revelation of Allah, the Quran, directly through your own reasoning, logic and discernment. If Allah wants to guide you, the Quran would make sense to you and would allow you to have a discernment, if Allah wants to lose you (like all these sectarians of islam), Allah will put a veil (hadiths, tasfirs, sirah, ulemas…) between you and the Quran, and the Quran would not guide you.

        Pray Allah and Allah will confirm your steps …

        I’ve prayed Allah for years about this question of Salat and Allah has showed me all these proofs that I am now sharing with the people…and be aware that I am absolutely not the only person who have these beliefs, there are plenty of people that are directly guided by Allah through the Quran …. of course you will not find them in the sect of islam.

        I am not saying that all the muslims are lost and evil, I am just saying that their faith is not pure, they have a part of association/shirk in their worship, they do not do the right effort for Allah, they only follow blindly, they dot not take their own responsabilities and let Allah be their guide. Allah will judge each one of them, some are true believers and others are not …. but these people are not the real believers as mentioned in the Quran…simply because they are not obeying the Quran, but their own man made texts, they are not following the guidance of Allah but the one of their ulemas.

        Salam

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      3. Thank you very much brother… I have requested you in one of your replies in youtube to share your best thoughts and Alhamdulillah you have done it successfully!

        I am now having so many questions and Alhamdulillah have started to search and learn all over again. 30 years I was living under the shadow of light. But now started to search for the source of that light to know the truth! Yes it is way too late but, it is way better late than never…

        May Almighty(SWT) helps you with guidance and to dig out more truth to share with everyone… Just the way it helped me to feel hunger for the truth!

        I hope you would not mind if I come back again and again for more ideas on my way towards the truth…

        Sincerely,
        Khan

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      4. no problem bro, you have the Quran and Allah, I can assure you that you have everything that you need, the Quran is so amazing when one reads it and understands it by oneself … do not hesitate to prompt me if you need. I am reading the Quran in loop (and I also read many other books on all kind of subjects) and I am so amazed by the Quran, it really contains everything that we need to know, it’s the key of discernment.

        Have a good day

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      5. Salam Brother..

        I have a question after I came to these ayahs of Al Quran… Surah An Nisa (4:65 to 4:68)…

        Here Almighty is very serious that He(SWT) promises on his ownself. Look at those ayahs and then share what do you think…

        Salam.

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      6. These verses clearly apply in a specific past context, the context of Muhammad’s lifetime.

        If the prophet was alive, I would be the 1st person to ask for his judgement and to prefer his discernment on mine.

        These verses are in a context in which the prophet was challenged, even by the believers … which is a bit normal, these persons knew the prophet as a normal guy before Allah elected him as a prophet, so it’s hard for them to process that in their mind, they still think that he is the old Muhammad that they knew before Allah had elected him. Allah insists in many parts of the Quran to command the people to obey Muhammad and to prefer his judgement on their own judgement, if you analyse all these verses, you can clearly see that these verses are directed to the people who were living during Muhammad’s lifetime.

        The hadiths (if we consider that they are true…) do not give their complete context, they are in a specific PAST context, in a society which do not exist anymore (not even in the muslim countries), about specific situations and specific persons… so we cannot copy past them, they simply do not apply now. Btw, Allah does not ask us to give up our reason and just to imitate the prophet like clones, Allah has given us the Quran which allows us to use our own discernment for each decision that we have to make.

        When you read the Quran and put the hadiths besides, these texts are not equal, they are not comparable, one comes from Allah, the others are man made texts. For me the hadiths have an historic value in the best cases (if we consider them as true), but my true opinion on them is that they are the work of Iblis. Iblis mixes truth with lies in order to deceive, he has convinced many muslims that without the hadiths they cannot understand the Quran … depraving them from the discernment that comes from the Quran.

        In short, concerning your verses, I invite you to read the context of each verse which commands to obey Muhammad, you will see that these contexts are past contexts.

        In the Quran there are verses which apply to past contexts and verses which are not fixed in time, you cannot confuse them.

        Salam

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      7. Salam and Thank you veeeeeerrrrryyyyyy much brother for sharing your thoughts… You know, I was umm.. how should I say this..!!! Exactly the sameeee things came to my mind… Alhamdulillah. But I wanted to see if you (or anyone) had anything to contradict my thoughts… Now I am feeling content. I believe in those verses and also believe on the Judgement of our Prophet(PBUH)… Main thing what I believe now is, If I knew “the context+time+past incidents/consequences+to whom it was said” of a Hadith would give us a clearer view. But may be for general person like me, it is not possible to know all those details… In that case, my way is actually and only limited to Al Quran…

        I hope one day, some researchers do connect the verses with the hadiths with contexts and time for our current lifestyle… So we can utilize it in our lives too…

        Salam and will be back again and again with requests/questions!

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      8. The hadiths have no authority in religion, they are human texts… they do not provide any discernment, but only confusion and perdition.

        The Quran is the only book who has authority in religion, so do not have any regret concerning the hadiths.

        Allah has not sent Muhammad so that we merely imitate him, Allah has sent Muhammad in order to reveal the Quran through him.

        The real guidance, the real message of Allah is the Quran.

        If you compare it with a mathematical metaphore, the Quran are the theorems, with these theorems you can solve any problem…whereas the hadiths are mere applications/exercices/samples…. and even worse, the haditht are wrong or in the best case uncomplete exercices. A mathematician who only learn exercices (and most of them are wrong or uncomplete) do know nothing in maths… a believer who follow hadiths instead of Quran do not know nothing in religion and has no discernment at all.

        Salam

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  2. Hi
    okay let us think logically,sure some are fabricated hadiths,some we can say are not ,some we can say we dont know.So since 1400 years ago people in mecca and medina have been praying 5 times,passed on from generation to generation,you mean to say they were no one rightly guided by Allah the merciful.Again our nabi was but a messenger,but wasnt he also a leader of example???????
    Sure some hadiths were used to hurt or manipulate or ridicule by the enemies.
    So somewhere sometime compiled them for passing on this examples and explanations for later generations.also their intentions could have been and would have been to better understand The knowledge of the quran And how our Beloved Prophet may peace be upon him applied,lived as he was Rightly guided example.
    So point is a katana samurai sword traditional forging was passed from generation to generation,it still being made traditionally but it exists although not as prominent as new methods but it does right.
    so the same case we pray 5 times.do you not imitate/mimick any knowledge passed from your teachers society and culture?
    Why do you write down make notes so you dont forget,you can write wrong info by mistake,later when you go through you can or someone can say that is incorrect a mistake,or very sinister forces go to the extent of writing fabricating lies either being aware or unaware(puppets).
    I know what you on about the infiltration manipulation and evil within Our communities and society.You would not believe how many obstacles were faced to write this.
    Asalamualaikum how that greeting dua blessing is said so meaninglessly and empty but what a Bombshell of a dua greeting it is when we say it with meaning and proper intent.May Allah’s peace be upon you wabarakatuhu and blessings be upon you.
    If it were the case our deen eman would be strong,our worldly and hereafter would be easier.
    A genuine Walakumsalam wabarakatuhu from you would be required and for you to revise your thinking.May Allah guide us all Ameen.
    This corruption(evil) is everywhere no need to cause further confusion and in fighting diputes.The middle path is what i refer you to as does the quran.
    Them shoe shine and errand LODGE BOYS ARE EVERYWHERE.
    ESPECIALLY ACTING PRETENDING TO BE PIOUS LEADERS.WHEN WE ARE fighting arguing not uniting they move forward.So in essence we could be helping their cause without any intention and being unaware.
    Follow the middle path.

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    1. the deviation of islam has come very soon, not so long after Muhammad’s death. The hadiths have been imposed as part of the religion whereas they are a bunch of lies. Islam have followed these teachings from generation to generation without questionning them…whereas the Quran clearly opposes these teachings and the idolization of Muhammad and never mention to follow another source orther than the Quran in matter of religion. The muslims have made their own innovations and forged rules instead othe Quran.

      Take the example of the jews and the christians, the muslims are not surprised to see that they stay in their false path from generation to generation, it’s more than 2000 wears that they follow a false teaching and they worship Jesus instead of God… so your argument about the 1400 years of transmission does not count.

      Muhammad did not have his own teachings beside the Quran, Muhamamd did not know any additional teachings beside the Quran, so the hadiths are not Muhammad teachings, they are mere hearsays without any value and the prophet himself forgave them as long as he was alive.

      I invite the muslims to come back to the Quran and to adopt it as their sole source of religion, the Quran is clear enough contrary to what the so called experts say. Allah has not sent the Quran for the experts, but for any average man.

      Read the Quran, use your own understanding, its literal sense is clear enough, and forget all these non sense dumb islamic interpretations of the Quran.

      This is the true middle path, the one in which you use your own discernment, the Quran, and Allah’s inspiration and guidance. Allah has sent the Quran to set us free and not to become slaves following others’ interpretations.

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